Working as an actor/extra while collecting unemployment in Hawaii.

Working as an actor/extra in Hawaii while collecting unemployment may cause you to loose your unemployment benefits.

      Working in the film industry in Hawaii while collecting unemployment benefits may be more hassle than it's worth. Naturally all film industry jobs are most always temporary. A production company will give a production a budget, they hire the staff needed to produce the movie or show and then proceed with shooting. When the budget is done everyone that was working for that production is now unemployed. Some people just go to another job and some won't have that option. The ones that don't have the privilege of getting hired immediately on another production will just have to wait until another production starts hiring. In Hawaii that could be months and sometimes years. This is true not only for actors but for most film industry positions. With no income sometimes the only option is to collect unemployment and hopefully you have worked long enough on the previous production to have contributed enough funds into the unemployment system to be able to survive.

Now here is where the problem starts. Once you fill out the mounds of paperwork at the unemployment office and jump through their many hoops in order to collect your money that you contributed, you are now able to survive till the next production comes. Now, when the next production comes, they may only be here for one week or two. Here is a scenario of what may happen to you if you choose to work on that production. If you are collecting $350 a week in unemployment benefits, you will receive a check lumped into two week increments. Every two weeks you will receive an unemployment check of about $700. Now, the new production want's to hire you to do extra work. Generally extras will make about $85-$100 a day and typically may only work two days the entire time they are here. Now after taxes you will bring home in the ball park of $130-$150 just for that week. The production finish filming and now they take off to another location in the mainland or maybe they are done with the production completely. Usually every two weeks preferably on Sunday you will call in for your unemployment benefits for that two week period. When you call in, the system will ask you if you worked a job during that period. You will then say yes and the system will prompt you to enter an amount that you earned. Keep in mind that after working on that production you still have not received payment because the payroll for most productions is done through a payroll company on the mainland and takes about two weeks for you to get paid. At this point you will have to guess how much you made during the two days you worked. Now that's when the whole unemployment system crash. Once the unemployment office learn that you have actually worked, normal procedure for them is to send forms to the payroll company for them to fill out in order to validate your employment with them. Now keep in mind that payroll processing for extras on most film productions are done in California or New York and the paperwork is sent snail mail. The forms they will fill out will ask such questions like; How long was this employee with your company? Was this employee fired? Why was this employee let go? Would you rehire this employee?  Etc..

Here is the entire process in a nutshell;

Unemployment office send the forms to payroll company, payroll company fills out paperwork and send back to unemployment office here in Hawaii, unemployment office process paperwork to your file and determine if you are eligible for continued benefits and how much they should deduct from your unemployment check. This process typically takes about three weeks or more. In the mean time you will not receive unemployment benefits until the entire process is done. So let me be clear, by working as an extra for two days earning about $120-$150 for the week will hold up your unemployment benefits of about $1050 and cause you to have NO income for about 3 weeks or more. All this for working a temporary job that was meant to be temporary from the beginning. Is it really worth it to work as an extra on a film production while collecting unemployment. My answer would be NO, what do you think?

If you're an principle actor on a TV show or movie, you will have to go through the same process and will possibly loose your benefits entirely because of the amount you earned. However on a TV show you will typically get an residual check every time the show airs on television (depending on contract). Now, if you are collecting unemployment when you receive your residual check you also must report that to the unemployment office but that process is handled differently. Once you report your residual payment to the unemployment office they NEVER check with the company that sent the residual check, they just take your word and deduct from your unemployment accordingly and your unemployment check will come at the usual time without delay.

I have contacted the unemployment office and talked to the head guy there and unfortunately I was told, "well, that's our procedure". That didn't get us anywhere. Hopefully this blog will reach someone that's able to look into it and actually fix the obviously broken system. We will not be able to grow the film industry and fix our growing unemployment rate if this practice continues. This broken system at the unemployment office is counterproductive to the continued effort of reviving our economy with a thriving film industry. This is a cry for help people! We must look to our state legislators to look into this system and fix the flaws. We should fix this system BEFORE we start filming Hawaii 5-0 in July of this year so the show will have a better effect on our economy by having access to hiring more people. Hawaii 5-0 will need to hire thousands of people for temporary work but nobody will want to work on the show at the risk of jeopardizing their unemployment benefits. Write your governor and state legislators or anyone that may help to get this problem fixed. We need to get people working and the film industry will provide that opportunity.

Mahalo

Teddy Wells

Hawaii Actors Network

President/CEO

 

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Comment by Edoardo Sterling Imperial on July 9, 2011 at 3:37am
I've normally only experienced a delay of about 2 weeks for my next check until UI confirms that I completed my assignment on amicable terms. But why the fockahs still like to try and cause a braddah some grief juggling words like reassess or redetermine which can take up to a month sometimes until I go down to the office and demand to speak to an administrator concerning my claim.
Comment by Larry "Tex" Southard on June 15, 2011 at 9:46pm
True Devin
It is classified as temp work not just hawaii but in all the states

Good post Al
I knew about this from UI
They told me about it when I first applied
It gets mixed up with SS which employees do pay into

Thanks Duane
Like Devin pointed out / we are IC as temp workers
Comment by AL B Conahan on June 8, 2011 at 7:36pm
Good evening Teddy, I used to be an employer in Hawaii and I want to clarify a very important part of your post. In bold you say "YOUR MONEY that you contributed" I have taught this subject for many years to members of the Construction Industry in Hawaii and on the Mainland. It is a common error to think that you as an employee pays for this insurance. I took this text from a website to clarify the facts about Unemployment Insurance for your readers. "Who Pays for Unemployment Insurance?
In Hawaii, employers pay all the costs of unemployment insurance through a payroll tax or reimbursable basis. Employees do not pay any part of their wages to finance the program. " As an Actor myself working as an extra I get paid a lot in cash. ("Hush Hush Brah") Most of us are classified as " Independent Contractors" and therefor are paid a gross sum for our services with no benefits being paid into the system by anybody. I can give a lot more detail about how the Fed helps to subsidize the States system but maybe some other time or place.
I understand this does not solve the dilemma but I think it is important to know how it works before we ask our Law Makers to update the law to help manage the problem. Please contact me anytime if you need more info. Always happy to help where I can. http://www.albcvopro.com/
Mahalo, albc
Comment by Larry "Tex" Southard on June 8, 2011 at 4:42pm
Call-In ?

I get a 2 week report that has to be filled out then taken into the office or dropped off in the green mailbox on the makai side of the building
Been that way for 4 years
On the report I put in checked emails then online then TV / Movie Job or work then none or nothing since I don't get called
When I do work it's better then getting the check,because my UI is very small
All I do on the report is check yes I worked then part time then no not still working
then on the back put the show & dates worked in comments
I have in 4 years work 3 days on productions
??? so what's messed up
Not the UI system
It's the casting that's messed up
Like I said in my last comment
The UI system wasn't designed around the industry
It was designed around & for the other work force areas
We in the industry should feel lucky that our fields of endeavor are even looked at as work by the government at all
They could very well say your position isn't real work so you need to look for something more fuller
Then what ???
We would all be unable to get UI
Oh UI is not paid by the employee
It's paid by the employer
So you are not adding anything to it yourself
It your employer who is
Now SS yes you are having that taken out of your pay
So yes you are adding to that
People need to live by what they make not what they wish they were making
Trust me it sux to be out of work
Been dealing with it for 4 years straight,but I thankful that I had UI there to help me get through things
Comment by Actor Michael Snoopy Wells on June 8, 2011 at 4:32pm
Casting well thats another story! But we hope and pray that God protect us from those who do wrong and bless those who cast without looking at race, favoritism, etc.... But while God is working on that we should be working on us! Practice Practice Practice! And by all means stay positive, people who think positive live positive! I try the other way and it does not work for me, I'm just saying! Snoopy
Comment by Larry "Tex" Southard on June 8, 2011 at 4:20pm
Ok here is my view & it's what I have been doing for 4 years now



Simple solution
Just live on what you make & don't file for UI
Just because your in the business doesn't mean you will get called to work
My last call to work was August 2010
My UI checks are skimpy at best,but it's better then not having no check at all
In November I will haved used up all my UI that I can get
So you have to decide which is best
Either file & go through the process or don't file & live by what you make
It's not messed up
It's just some people want the best of both worlds
Sorry but it's not that simple
What's messed up is the casting for productions
Why isn't someone having a fit about that ??
Nothing wrong with the UI system
It wasn't created around the show biz industry as a whole
So it makes it a little harder on those who do work in the industry
Just be thankful you have that as an option when you need to

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